Contest Winners!

I’m happy to announce winners for my Blog Suggestion Contest.

The winners are Thane Woods and Sean Burnham. These gentlemen both submitted suggestions that were so close to each other that I decided to award a joint prize.

Their suggestions were about “setting as character.” It’s a topic that often gets overlooked and is equally ripe for consideration about mythic impact. I am planning on getting that entry written up over the next week.

Their copies of The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth and their Traveling Muse T-shirts are in transit.

Thanks to all the participants! I’m making plans to follow up on all the suggestions that came in. I’ll acknowledge the suggestions with the eventual post.

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“Myth” and “Folklore” (with a side order of “Mythos”)

A friend mentioned recently that she had been grading a student’s paper, wherein the student had used the terms “myth” and “folklore” interchangably. She wondered if this was an accurate usage.

I will be the first to admit that I am not of such expert stature that I could make an absolute ruling, but my impulse is to say “No.” It is not accurate to use the terms interchangably. I will try to explain how I see things.

According to Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology, and Legend, folklore is the “mass of unrecorded traditions of the peoples as they appear in popular (ie, non-literary) fiction, customs and beliefs, and ritual.” It goes on (in the entry on “folklore and mythology”) to describe myth as an explanitory or etiological tale trying to account for phenomena.

This sort of implies that a mythology is secondary to the folklore connected with it. I’m not sure if that is the case.

To me, folklore tends to be culture specific and it feels as if its subject matter is of somewhat less existential importance than a myth.

For me, myth tends to focus on cosmic meaning, what something means to us as humans. In a society where the environment is chronically dry and flammable, lightning will be considered highly dangerous, which leads to a goddess like Tsetse, vengeful, capricious, malicious and unreliable. In a more temporate climate, or even a tropical one, the lightning in a thunderstorm might be regarded less negatively, while still acknowledging the power of the lightning bolt. This can lead to the image of dancing gods, where one leg strikes down from the sky, creating changes where the foot falls (like Shiva Nataraj). This, to me, is myth.

By contrast, I treat folklore as those manifestations of meaning that can come at one step remove from mythology. Instead of referencing the lightning itself, secondary representations of mythic things come into play. Now we tell stories not of lightning itself, but rather of amulets which invoke the power of lightning. Then there are the dances that might originate as representations of thunder-storms – these are part of the folklore.

But these are distinctions I make for my own usage. How are they helpful in osrting out one type of story from another? I’m not sure. Paul Bunyon? I call that folklore, partly because his origin was commercial, but also because he doesn’t seem to attach to meanings beyond logging in the North American Continent. But another “big guy” by name of Thor? I call him mythic, for his attributes and purposes are recognized outside his culture of origin. But it’s a very fine and subjective distinction. And when talking just about story, I don’t know if there is an advantage to the distinction.

I’m afraid I’m not much lep to my friend. I know the distinction I would make, but would I inflict it on the student?

As for that promised side order about “mythos” – I use this term for the particular cluster of stories, relationships and attitudes that center around a specific character or set of characters: for instance, the Batman mythos, or the Arthurian mythos, or Robin Hood or Spider-Man. When one is mentioned, we immediately recognize a specific grouping that will include many stories. For myself, I don’t use it in broader terms, although I might say that a particular story doesn’t fit “the mythos,” usually because the attitude and outlook in the specific tale may be at odds to the general shape of the rest.

As you can see, the terms run into each other in a less than orderly fashion. It starts to become an issue for specific examples and personal interpretation.

[And let me take this moment to remind the readers of the CONTEST that is due to end on Monday. Hey! Give me something to talk about!]

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Appearing on a Panel about Research

On Saturday, February 19, I’ll be appearing on a panel with authors Harry Turtledove and Barbara Hambly, at the Palms-Rancho Park Library on Overland just north of the I-10, at 3 p.m.

Here’s the link to the event.

The subject is on how to do research, “how to add detail without drowning in trivia”.

My co-panelists have each published novels that have required a lot of research, and I bring my years of working on the Jeopardy! research staff to this topic. Research can be fun!

I’ll also have some copies of The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth for sale with me, and I’ll be happy to sign them.

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Contest for Writers & Aspiring Writers

One of the things about this blog is coming up with ideas to discuss that will interest readers. I often use the website’s Visitor Statistics listing of search strings for ideas (in fact, inspired by a recent search string, coming soon will be a post about the film Amadeus and the Hero’s Journey). But even that has its limits. So I thought I would ask the general audience.

Hence this contest! Open to everyone!

CONTEST FOR WRITERS & ASPIRING WRITERS

Do you have questions about the Hero’s Journey that you can’t find answers for? How about questions regarding mythic Archetypes in your stories? Have you wondered about the implications of landscape, time or weather in your story? Have you wondered about mythic patterns in a favorite movie or TV show?

Well, here is your opportunity to ask those questions and (hopefully) get a useful answer. Because I’m looking for topics to blog about here at the Scribbler’s Guide to Myth!

Check out the “Motifs at work” category (primarily, but also “Writing tips” and “Video”) here on the blog to get an idea of what I have covered in the past.

Entering the contest is EASY – but please pay attention to the RULES!

GRAND PRIZE FOR THE BEST ENTRY —

A personalized and autographed copy of The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth AND a T-shirt with the Traveling Muse (as seen on the cover of the book) on the front.

THE RULES

(1) You may enter as many times as you want. You may include multiple suggestions in one email.

(2) ALL ENTRIES MUST BE SENT TO boardadmin@scribblerworks.us
(Entries sent to any other email of mine will be discarded without being read. Entries posted as public comments on any of my blogs, pages or message board will be deleted as non-entries.)

(3) All Entries MUST HAVE SUBJECT LINE “SCRIB GUIDE CONTEST.”
(Anything else indicates an inability to read, so why would I answer your question?)

(4) DEADLINE FOR CONTEST IS MARCH 14, 2011 – midnight Pacific Time (that is, at the end of the day on the 14th)

(5) All Entries become property of Sarah Beach, for possible further development on the blog.

(6) DO NOT send entries that are specific to your own works-in-progress. For instance, DO NOT tell me your specific plot and characters and ask my consulting advice on them. DO ASK general questions such as “What about stories set in winter, and their symbolic meanings?” (That question is actually addressed in the book, by the way, in case you were wondering.)

(7) After the deadline, I (Sarah Beach) will select THE BEST BLOG SUGGESTION to win the Grand Prize. Yes, this is highly subjective. A RUNNER UP PRIZE of a personalized and autographed copy of the book may be awarded at the administrator’s whim (that would be me, too). An ASPIRING WRITER PRIZE will be awarded for the BEST SUGGESTION for what topics I should tackle once I am able to resume working on The Aspiring Writer animations (check the posted videos) and once I finish dealing with the traditional character archetypes; the prize for this will also be an autographed and personalized copy of the book.

(8) Please include in your email the following information:
Your REAL NAME – so I can make a public acknowledgement of your submission when I do write a blog entry based on your suggestion.
Your PREFERRED T-SHIRT SIZE
Please submit via an active email address that you do use, because that will be how I communicate with you.

(9) ONLY THE PRIZE WINNERS will be asked for a snail mail address, at the time I determine the winner.

(10) All entries will become possible fodder for the blog, even if they do not win Best Suggestion.

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Mythic Stories and Stories From Myth

A few years ago, I was in a burger joint with my screenwriting group. We’d had a good morning session giving notes and were unwinding over lunch. At the next table over, there were two guys talking. They were obviously screenwriters (the script bound with brads in front of one of them was one clue), one a newbie, the other a bit more practiced. Given the proximity in the restaurant, it was impossible not to overhear part of their conversation as we waited for our orders to arrive.

The “Practiced” Writer (I’m not sure just how much experience he had under his belt, but it was more than his companion had) was giving the Newbie some advice on how to beef up his script. Mr. Practiced was talking about mythic content in story. I’m not sure what the nature of Newbie’s actual script was, but Mr. Practiced was talking about using the story structure of a mythic story as the template for his own.

My friend J and I (we were sitting face to face) exchanged a glance with muted smiles. She knew I’d spent four years writing a book on mythic motifs in storytelling. (This was after I’d finished the book, but before it had seen print.) We both knew Mr. Practiced’s explanation was a little simplistic and off the mark.

But the Mr. Practiced upped the stakes on us by using Beowulf as an example of a mythic story.

I had to stop listening in, because it was hard not to burst out laughing. Not because I think Beowulf does not have mythic paterns in it. No, it was because I’d done my Masters thesis on Beowulf. If there was one heroic story I knew really well, it was that one. And Mr. Practiced was getting some plot elements of the heroic story wrong – missing their points.

Clash of TitansJ and I chuckled and gave our attentions back to our friends.

But that occasion has stuck with me, because it points out the problem many people have in trying to understand how mythic patterns work in their own modern stories.

Part of the problem lies in how people regard the term “myth.” Many people think of specific stories when they hear the word “myth.” Like Mr. Practiced, they will cite a particular tale — Beowulf or The Odyssey or the quest for the Golden Fleece.

Filmmakers easily get caught in that place, with the result that we are given works like Clash of the Titans.

It’s the story of Perseus with other things thrown in. And of course the great title overlooks the fact that the mythic Olympian gods are not actually “the Titans” (which were a different generation of divine figures).

Clash of Titans

Now, it’s a fun action/adventure, so we can look at it as a fantasy and enjoy it as that.

Another approach would be to treat the mythic story as “just a story” in an ancient historical period. This approach would bring us Troy.

Hector and Achilles in TroyThat film treated The Iliad as a historical tale and down-played the mythic and supernatural elements.

The Trojan HorseMuch the same approach was given to Beowulf in The 13th Warrior.

The 13th WarriorGritty and realistic, but no fun when you get to the dragon part of the story. For that, you need to look at the version of Beowulf co-written by Neil Gaiman.

Beowulf's dragonOf course, I have some disagreements with that version, particularly making the hero to be a liar (which is utterly contrary to my interpretation in my thesis). But it remains a version that pulls the story elements together fairly well.

But all these examples don’t help the writer who has a “modern” story, but wants to figure out how to get that mythic magic into his story. He hears comments about how mythic the Luke trilogy of Star Wars is, and how George Lucas referenced The Hero With a Thousand Faces.

Luke in Star WarsThis gets the struggling writer wrestling with his story, trying to figure out what events in his story fit which steps of Campbell’s (or Chris Vogler’s) Hero’s Journey. He shifts events, squishes things into the cracks, makes up beats he thinks he needs, until the story has morphed into something alien.

This is a point I make over and over in The Scribbler’s Guide: mythic motifs are flexible. They are also bare bones, not steel molds. The power of mythic motifs lies in their meanings, not in the specific story forms they take.

I’ll round out these musings by pointing to a movie that I suspect few people would quickly think of as “mythic”: Die Hard.

John McClane in Die HardModern. Action-adventure. Tough guy stopping terrorists. What’s mythic here?

What is mythic is the primal drive for John McClane. All he wants is to get back to his wife. Hans and his gang throw extraordinary obstacles in John’s way. But all John wants is to get to Holly.

John and Holly in Die HardBut guess what? That’s the heart of The Odyssey. It’s primal. It’s “mythic.”

Odyssey

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